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>> kevin baron, always appreciate your insight. thanks for joining us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back tomorrow. follow the show online on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports. here is ali velshi from new york. >> that was an astute question you asked kevin baron about if the taliban is resurge ent what does that actually mean? the taliban set the stage for the entry of terrorists basically. an interesting question i'll pursue as well. coming up this hour on "velshi and ruhle" the candidate pool in the race for the white house just got smaller. what it means that governor jay inslee is out. who is now taking the lead on climate change? we'll break down senator sanders' new plan. plus america had half a million fewer jobs last year than we thought they did. what that tells us about the
economy coming up. and the amazon rain forest is burning. we'll break down the devastating, long-term effects this could have on global warming and the air that we breathe. let's begin with the 2020 democratic presidential field getting smaller while a republican contender may emerge to primary president trump. democratic washington state governor jay inslee is out of the race. he's telling supporters in an e-mail today he is going to run for a third term as governor. he made the announcement last night on nbc to rachel maddow. >> it's become clear i am not going to be carrying the ball, not going to be the president, so i am withdrawing tonight from the race but i have to tell you i've been fighting cliechmate change for 25 years. i've never been so confident of the ability of america to move the ball. >> there could be a new presidential hopeful on the republican side. former illinois congressman joe walsh, currently a fire brand conservative radio host, calls president trump a, quote, horrible human being who is unfit for office.
earlier today walsh said he is strongly considering getting into the race. >> i'm not trying to be cute or coy. i've told you before, if somebody is going to go in and get after him, john, it has to be soon. you're running out of time. more importantly, these are not conventional times. look at the guy in the white house. these are urgent times. somebody needs to make that case. i have yet to hear any potential republican make that case. >> now a new a.p. poll shows just 36% of americans approve of how president trump is handling his job. 62% disapprove. joining us now nbc road warrior ali vitalii who has been covering the candidates live at the dnc summer meeting. lots to cover here. governor inslee was considered to be on the more moderate end of the scale. he had the most definite plans or most advanced plans on climate change.
how does the departure of inslee, polling very low, change the face of the race if at all? >> reporter: well, the obvious is that there is one less person who wants to become the democratic nominee for president. in a field of 20 plus that matters especially when looking at people polling at 1% or 2%. someone dropping out means that 1% or 2% could go elsewhere. but i also think it speaks to the moderate lane of this race, which we saw get really big, which left on the debate stage the ability for people like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren to defend the progressive flank pretty much on their own while the rest of them seem to duke it out for that moderate lane. then finally i think that inslee dropping out really does speak to the winnowing that's happening here ahead of the third september debate. you saw the thresholds for qualification get higher and you saw people like inslee recognize that they weren't going to be on the stage. how important it is to be visible on that national stage. and realizing they do better dropping out. >> proving their electability is key to some of these candidates.
the latest politico morning polling shows joe biden and bernie sanders leading the pack when it comes to beating donald trump. biden leads trump by seven points. sanders leads trump by five points. does this bolster joe biden's argument that he is making to people to vote for him because he is according to the polling the most electable? >> reporter: if polling well means electability to you, then yes. those polls only help joe biden continue to make the case that he is the most electable against donald trump. the thing i'm finding is that yes voters everywhere say their most important priority in 2020 is someone who can go head to head with trump and win. electability itself means so many different things. you can even see the range when our embed in l.a. spoke with voters last night at a warren event. listen to the wide range of what electability means to them. >> they said barack obama was not electable and we know what
happened there. electability, yeah. i'm not sure what they really mean by that. >> if you're going with the electability argument you'll get rid of every single woman candidate. >> let's see that he is electable. joe biden has run for president two other times and hasn't been able to come out of the primary field. >> reporter: so it is interesting. what the last voter said about joe biden's past runs for president could be considered a knock on the electability argument he is making although right now it hinges so heavily on how he is doing in the polls. in talking to voters i have to say it feels like every voter can have a reason why a candidate is electable and then also have a reason at this point why they're not. that is why it is so important for these candidates to be on the debate stage and continuing to press their case in person to voters but also on television where it really matters. that's where they get the reach. >> it is interesting. i'm going to hear, this is how it goes. people who like the candidates, who are polling, who show they can beat donald trump say this is fantastic. people who like candidates who don't show that tell me this is
all made up stuff and electability is a media mirage. all right. let's move on to another topic. colorado is a must win for democrats if they want to take back the senate. the former colorado governor john hickenlooper left the democratic field last week and announced today he will do what people were hoping he would do. he is going to run for senate in colorado. he previously said he wasn't cut out to be a senator. tell me what that race looks like for him. >> so, look. him saying he's not cut out to be a senator could be something that democrats use against him and i say democrats because john hickenlooper basically jumped from one crowded pool in the presidential to another crowded pool in the senate race in colorado. and the thing that democrats are looking at colorado for is they're really licking their lips looking at cory gardner who is considered one of the most vulnerable republican senators on the map in 2020. so for john hickenlooper what i am interested in is how is he going to be different than he was as a presidential contender? he was one of the more moderate people. i was always struck by the way
he made this argument you could bridge bipartisan divides in washington which we have only seen get deeper with donald trump and republicans digging in their heels on the legislative front in congress so i am interested to see if john hickenlooper starts changing his tune for example when he talks about people like mitch mcconnell because even today he was out on his website calling mitch mcconnell a partisan. he never really went that far when i was on the campaign trail with him following him as a presidential contender so i am interested to see if he starts to raise his tune to rise to the top of the crowded democratic field. >> a lot of ground we covered. good to see you. ali vitali for us covering the campaign. bernie sanders is out with a new plan to tackle climate change and has ambitious goals. the plan calls for 100% renewable energy by 2030, full decarbonization by 2050. this is a big thing to understand because we are a carbon fueled economy. his plan he says would create 20 million jobs across industries
in an effort to decarbonize the economy. here is one point where sanders' plan differs from many others. he puts a price tag on it and he lays out the costs. the full plan would carry a price tag he says of $16.3 trillion to fully enact. that makes it the most expensive climate plan from the democratic contenders. the investment in renewable energy would cost $1.52 trillion to create renewable energy sources, $852 billion to build energy storage, capacity $526 billion to provide a modern smart grid, grants to weatherize and retrofit homes and businesses. the plan would also include $2.09 trillion in electric vehicle grants, a $300 billion public transit investment, and a $607 billion regional high speed rail investment. the plan envisions a role for farmers, $160 billion for soil
health improvements and carbon sequestration. that's grabbing carbon from the atmosphere. while the plan includes how it would be paid for let's remember this. according to the fourth national climate assessment, if we did nothing on climate change by 2090 we can expect up to 9,300 more deaths per year and up to $307.6 billion in economic damage per year. with the actions to mitigate and adapt a report by two epa scientists found the u.s. could benefit from about $10 trillion in savings by about 2100. so remember, when you see a big price tag on climate change, always remember, there is a price to not doing anything or to doing too little. joining me now is the former administrator of the environmental protection agency gina mccarthy. good to see you and thank you for being with us. i want to get to senator sanders' plan in a minute but i
want your reaction to governor inslee dropping out of the presidential race. i'm not sure a lot of people thought inslee was going to be president of the united states but i know there were a lot of people really happy that he was pushing this issue and forcing everybody to focus on it. >> well, as you probably know governor inslee is a good friend and colleague. i think he has done a wonderful job in washington. i was happy to have his voice in the debate. you know, it really pushld the other candidates. i think you saw this with plans being laid out first with senator warren then vice president biden and now senator sanders really coming out with a, what i consider to be an investment strategy. i think he pushed the envelope. i think he did a great job. i hope he feels it was worth joining the discussion. i think he should be proud of himself by moving the conversation in a much more concrete and solid way.
it's about time that a presidential election started talking about the most significant threat that we have to both our planet and our health today, which is climate change. >> and again, i'm glad there is a price tag on it. it's big. and it looks for big things. you and i just talked about this earlier this week. a presidential candidate has got to sell to americans who might agree that there is global warming under way, that the priority, making this a priority, is going to cost money. doing it should lead to commensurate prosperity on the other end. >> that's right. i think the most important thing we understand is that climate change is happening and it bears a substantial cost. those costs will just overwhelm us over time. and so what you see here is not a $16.3 trillion cost. it is an investment strategy. how do we keep people safe and
healthy moving forward? how do we look at our existing investments differently? it looks at the actual cost of continuing to rely on fossil fuels and it starts subsidizing and making the fossil fuel company pay for the damage being done. it looks at transferring some funding from the military to look at how important climate change is to international issues, to the instability we're seeing in the world as climate migration happens. it looks at infrastructure investments that we need to make anyway. and it asks us not to sacrifice but to plan ahead, like anyone would do, to actually invest in the things that are not just going to make the planet safer but are going to keep our kids healthier. that are going to give us choices we want. i don't know anybody who would prefer a relationship with the utility than being able to generate their own energy. you know, these are things that we need to really, seriously
consider. i think senator sanders is really putting a mocker out there as others have that the time is now to really consider this and bake it in to the way in which the federal government operates. like with basically r&d money to spark clean energy. we don't have all of the solutions. i know senator sanders is being very aggressive in his 2030 goal but i want to bet on innovation. >> in his attempt to get medicare for all he is up against a lobby and an industry that has a lot of money to talk to a lot of candidates about why not to do that. it's the same thing with climate change, right? he is up against a fossil fuel industry and others who have a lot of interest in not getting to decarbonization by 2050. might be the right idea for humans. it is not the right idea for a lot of corporate interests in america. how does one overcome that? >> i think the most important thing is you have to engage the people in the united states.
we know that most people understand that climate change is happening. they don't want to get into the debate on exactly how to fix it but they want to know the leaders in this country are paying attention to the science. they want to know we're looking at the dollars they've paid already into the federal government and that those dollars are going to be spent as wisely as possible to get more of the two fers. more of i'll take care of climate i'll take care of health. more of an ability to keep our drinking water safe. to reduce air pollution. that's what they want to know. they want leadership. they want to understand science. and they want people that are bringing real ideas to the table. i don't know whether senator sanders has better ideas than another candidate but if you lay thaes o these out to the american public and explain this is not a far away thing, this is not about some other country. this is about us, today, our kids, our future. they will give the direction that any good leader will take.
>> your successor at the epa says it is a far away problem and not going to be with us 50 or 75 years. >> let's hope this administration isn't either. that's all i'm going to say. >> gina mccarthy, good to see you as always, a former epa administrator. we got breaking news. the ceo of online retailer overstock.com has abruptly resigned after making controversial deep state comments. patrick burn announced he was stepping down a short time ago saying it was good for the firm. he had been under fire for releasing a statement about his alleged role in the federal government's investigation into the 2016 election where he called the feds the men in black. he even told the "new york times" he had a relationship with maria bhoutina the russian operative who used gun rights activism to infiltrate american politics. if everything i just said really confused you that makes two of us. nbc news reporter benecolins who does follow this stuff joins me now because he has been following the conspiracy theories related to the so-called deep state russian
interference in america's political system. how on earth does the ceo of overstock.com fit into this? >> well, she was in the process -- this is what the feds believe -- in honey potting several americans. this has been going on since 2013. she ingratiated herself into the american right. they were trying to get into the gop as a russian spy basically. that is the easiest way to say this. and the way she did it was she went through the nra and befriended this nra hanger on named paul erickson and eventually it became a full on relationship. in the midst of that she was apparently in this other relationship on and off with the overstock ceo. instead of sort of realizing this was a honeypot the overstock ceo doubled down on this in a blog post before a "new york times" article came out saying they were in this relationship and he cites what i would say is conspiracy theory gristle that's been around the internet the past year and a half. things about the deep state. things about how this is really
about the clinton investigation and all about the mueller investigation. she is spending 18 months in prison for not registering as a foreign agent to the russian government. she worked with this guy who is a russian senator. there is really no doubt about her involvement here especially if you look at things like russian propaganda channels like rt or their foreign embassy. they talk all the time about free maria bhoutina. she has done nothing wrong. if you study russian propaganda at all that means kind of the opposite. that's where we're at. this guy was in this relationship with her, who is a known honeypot, and he's kind of unwilling to concede that and now i think people see the writing on the wall here about how really what was going on. >> so you actually, a lot of people don't know this. we work in the same unit here, the business technology unit. was this affecting overstock? or their board? was there board concern? >> the board was concerned about it. they were down 30%. right after this blog post release. it is not written like a press
release. it's written like an ode to a lover that's in jail a little bit. >> ben collins, every time i see you stuff gets weirder and weirder. when i launched my career as a journalist this is not the stuff i thought we'd be talking about, but, hey, roll with it. thank you, buddy. up next a global catastrophe. the amazon rain forest is burning at a record rate and that means major consequences for our climate and the air that we breathe. i'll speak with experts about the long-term effects of these fires and why they started in the first place. we are watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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earth's largest rain forest is burning, the amazon, the most biodiverse area of tropical land in the world is suffering such immense fires that the smoke can actually be seen as you are looking here at this nasa image from space. brazil's space research center has detected more than 39,000 fires in the rain forest this year, a staggering increase for the area known to many as the lungs of the planet because it is a carbon monoxide sink. it absorbs it. conservationists blame the fires on the policies of the brazilian president, but he says the blame, lays the blame at the feet of activists. what is not in dispute is the dang danger the smoke plume poses
reaching from the western borders of brazil to the atlantic ocean. that length of that plume is the distance from london to athens. the smoke plunging into the city of sao paulo, look at that. this is 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon in sao paulo the middle of the day on monday. we have a devastating look inside the rain forest as well as it burns. >> i'm not able to stay here long because the fire is spreading but everything behind me right now is the forest i've been working to protect for the last 13 years. it is burning like this every day. there are literally millions of animals in this forest that cannot escape right now. if you think our planet can survive this every day in the amazon, you have another thing coming. >> joining me now is a conservationist who shot that video and the director of the brazil institute at the university of florida. thank you for both of you being here. paul, let's just understand this. forests burn. sometimes it's just the natural course of things. >> sure. >> the burning of the amazon,
first of all the reasons for the burning of what's going on but the burning of the amazon is a double whammy because this is a carbon sink, a place that absorbs carbon, which today is putting carbon, excess carbon into the air because of its burning. >> that's right. not only that you have thousands, millions of years of carbon scored in that system and it is producing a fifth of our clean water and the oxygen on our planet so when you destroy the system you are doing decades and decades or centuries of damage. >> and the industrial work to redo that, to take carbon out of the atmosphere and clean water and clean earth, that would be huge. >> we don't have the technology or capability for that. right now nature does that. that's why the whole thing is that we need to re-assess our entire relationship with nature. everyone keeps messaging me going how do we put out the fires? you can't. even if you could, this is a systemic problem. this is decades and decades of deforestation that we've allowed to happen. this is apathy. we understand biology and how interconnected all these systems are.
>> all right. so decades and decades of deforestation and bad policy that seems, professor, to have been exacerbated recently in brazil with government policy that feels that environmentalism is restrictive and an impingement on economic growth similar to what we have in the united states. what is the concern here? what's going on in brazil politically that is leading to this? >> before i get to that i'd like to first of all thank you for the opportunity to come and talk to you today but also correct something i heard a moment ago, which is that fires are supposed to be a part of forest ecosystems. that is definitely true in some kinds of forests like say the forest that you might find in the southeastern united states but it is not true of the amazon. >> right. >> the amazon is not supposed to burn. to put it in context we are talking about an area of the continental united states which from 1970 to today we've already lost an area the size of the state of texas with kentucky thrown in as a topper. this is an area that is huge but
not so huge we haven't done serious damage already. yes, this is about government policies leading to an uptick in deforestation. for comparison the worst year of deforestation recently was 2003. 27,000 square kilometers were cleared in 2003 alone. two successive presidential -- presidents managed to tamp that down, that deforestation. in 2012 it was 80% lower that year, about 4600 square kilometers were cleared. since the current president come into power it has increased 65%. >> because he is hands off? sort of like people are clearing lands and he's just, they're not enforcing it? >> it was very clear from his campaign forward that the amazon was something that in his mind was not productive, was meant to be used, and when he means used and productive he means cleared for agriculture. not only that it was also sending the message that if you
clear amazon you're not going to be faulted for it. who's going to get blamed for it are the ngos in the area. if you threaten indigenous activists or environmental activists or environmental journalists the government will turn away from that and those people will not be punished for it. so he has created both through formal policies but also informally through creating an air of impunity this idea that the amazon is there to be cleared and used and used in one way only for agriculture and that economic gain as opposed to the economic gain already shown to be valid and large, which is from leaving the forest standing. >> why, paul, is that not relevant? why would they -- is this a corporate interest thing? everybody knows that the amazon rain forest is the most biodiverse place on earth. it's not just -- it is indigenous populations that live there, more species than exist anywhere else in the world. >> that's right. >> why is that not resonating with policy makers in brazil?
>> i think this is just short-term economic gain. this is the thing you can't separate any one thing. this is a global system we all depend on. so trying to cut it down to make a quick buck doesn't work. when you have millions of people that are going to be affected by the deterioration of that system including us and everyone else on the planet -- >> this is not a brazil thing. >> exactly. this transcends political boundaries. you have to start thinking of these things on a global society level where we cannot allow people for any reason to be deteriorating the systems that keep us alive. >> he says to the other countries that have threatened economic -- to not send economic development money like norway and germany, he said, well why don't you people reforest your countries? why is it on us? >> hundreds of years ago we had people deforesting lands and it led to our current state today and the problems we have today. we know better now. they still have an intact amazon. we're not repairing something. we are trying to keep a functioning system functioning.
>> professor, is there some reality to the fact that this is now in the news and you can see it from space and sao paulo gets thrust into dark in the mid of day from a smoke cloud is this going to move the government to say, okay. maybe this is out of hand? >> like a lot of pop lists he has already demonstrated when he gets criticized internationally that is something that he must be doing something right and plays to his base. that money from germany and norway wasn't economic development money but it was money contributed by countries to the amazon fund which is the largest, most important international framework for conserving the amazon and more broadly tropical forests around the world. norway contributed over a billion dollars to the amazon fund because they see the value in paying for the ecosystem services the amazon provides. so this is not about aid to help poor people or countries that are in development.
this is for recognition -- you know, you've got the business background and you see this. this has value. people see the value and they're willing to pay for it. that is what the money that was suspended was. it wasn't a small amount. it was over $70 million he has turned away from simply to play to his political base and out of spite. >> what a remarkable story. we'll continue to cover it. thanks to both of you. the director of the brazil institute at the university of florida, and paul is a conservationist who has worked in the amazon for 13 years. thanks to both of you. join us september 19th and 20th for msnbc's climate forum 2020 in partnership. coming up next the headlines hitting your money money money. we'll take a look at the markets as we see another sign of a possible economic slowdown. plus the revised 2018 jobs numbers not good.
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a nasdaq that is down. take a look at the dow. i want to show you it is one of those days that we started in the green, went to the red. back in the green. as of the close of business yesterday, from the beginning of july through yesterday 4:00 p.m. the dow is down about 1.5%. we've seen some good days but this is a mixed up market and i like to think, i'll bring in my buddy, cnbc stocks correspondent bob pisani. i like to think i know a thing or two about this stuff but bob and i were talking last wednesday or something on the floor of the exchange and i realized how little i know about this stuff and how much you know about this stuff, bob. so, please. bring your 29 years of experience to bear to tell my viewers what is going on here. >> well, there are three things moving the stock market. number one is the health of the global economy. that's what the stock market does. it tries to figure out what companies are going to be earning six months to a year down the road so the global economy is really mixed.
the u.s. is good, best in the world, but slowing a little bit. europe is flat to down. china is definitely slowing down but still growing. that is a very mixed message overall. the second thing is all this trade and tariff stuff going on. tariffs are bad for the global economy but we don't know if there is going to be a deal with china or not. that is a problem so the market is mixed up about that. finally, the federal reserve, ali. remember they're in charge of short-term interest rates. they've been trying to keep rates low but there is disagreement in the fed right now about how much they should keep lowering interest rates. we still have the best deals in the world. the highest yields in the world but some people at the fed say we don't really need to keep cutting rates. others say, no, no. we should do it. an insurance cut. lower rates. just in case things start slowing down. you see how difficult it is to figure things out right now. >> yeah. all right. a lot of my viewers are not the same folks who watch cnbc. they're people who do other things but have a 401(k). they're a little worried about their investments in the face of all of this recession talk.
you also gave me some good perspective the other day on how you should think of the markets if you are a passive investor, average person. >> yeah. here is the important thing. should i get in or out of the market? i don't give financial advice but i ask people a simple question. how long are you going to live? if you're serious bs staying as a long-term investor in stocks or bonds, an excellent long-term investment, you shouldn't worry about it. if you are not planning on passing away any time soon, let's hope that is not the case that you're going to be passing away soon, look down the road. markets are generally higher over many periods of years. don't worry about it. set a regular plan of investing and stick to it over all. i can't tell you if the stock market is going to be up or down this year. anyone who can should be a little suspect in your mind. i can tell you i, personally, believe in the global economy and particularly the u.s. economy long term keeps growing and that's where you want to be in the stock market in the bond market. >> you have lots of examples. we've gone through some together. recessions, 9/11, things like
that where it looks terrible. people unload their stocks, but when you look back on it, these markets have tended to trend up over time. >> yes. one of the most depressing moments of my whole life was the first quarter of 2009. we had just gone through this terrible financial crisis. the market was down 50% from the high a year and a half ago. now, i didn't know where the market was going to bottom out. nobody did. but we did know one thing. the u.s. economy was not going to be a zero. if you were already in the market at that point it doesn't make any sense to sell with the market down. it's buy low sell high not the other way around yet that is what we saw, ali. we saw people selling at the bottom because they couldn't take it anymore. that was the wrong attitude and when you have to look at your head and say what goes on mentally? we're really afraid of the loss much more than the expectations of the gain and there is a whole school that came into focus around this called behavioral economics to study why do people act like that? why do they do irrational things like sell when they're having
big losses and should be holding on? big difference. >> good to see you as always. thank you, bob pisani, cnbc stocks correspondent. just want to look at a figure we've got up here. we had jobs losses. this is an interesting number. we don't normally see 500,000 fewer jobs. that is a recalculation of the number of jobs that were created in 2018. it was revised lower. that happens by the way. these jobs numbers go through revisions. take a look at where the revisions came from. 146,000 of those job losses were in the retail sector. remember stephanie and i used to talk about this all year that we were losing more retail jobs per month than there were entire jobs in the coal sector which the president talks about all the time. but retailers don't seem to have a movement of people who say, hey. where are the jobs disappearing? by the way this is because of a lot of the shift to online shopping. business services. a big sector because we are service economy, right? we provide services to each other as much as we sell brings to each other.
business services lost 163,000 jobs. it was revised down by 163,000 jobs. and leisure and hospitality were revised down by 175,000, the largest downward revision in the total jobs numbers since 2009. as bob pisani was just talking about, 2009 was the recession. all right. coming up next an nbc news exclusive. how online predators are targeting kids in a scheme called sextortion. we'll tell you what it is, which platforms are most risky, and what the fbi is doing to stop it. banjo? (man) go home. (woman) banjo! sorry, it won't happen again. come on, let's go home. after 10 years, we've covered a lot of miles. good thing i got a subaru. (avo) love is out there. find it in a subaru crosstrek.
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ask your doctor about humira citrate-free. here's to you. welcome back to "velshi and ruhle." predators targeting children as young as 8 in online gaming platforms called sex-tortion and according to the fbi occurs when an adult predator coerces minors online into sending sexually explicit photos in an effort to blackmail them. nbc has an exclusive look at the devious practice and how law enforcement is trying to stop it. >> reporter: it's the latest frontier for online predators. video game systems connecting your kids to strangers pretending to be someone else and extorting them for explicit photos and personal information. the fbi calls it sextortion. i talked to josh ya frazo who says it happened to his son two
years ago when he was only 8 years old. >> my son told me someone offered to buy him b bucks if he sent photos. >> reporter: basically an older man knowing your son was a child offered some type of incentive within the video game for pictures? >> yeah. >> reporter: luckily he says his son didn't send any photos but that's not the case for many others. last year alone the fbi looked into almost 6500 potential cases of sextortion. is this like the 2019 version of taking candy from a stranger on a playground? >> exactly. that exact same thing is happening today except instead of one stranger on the playground it is now hundreds within these online environments either social media platforms or gaming environments that are doing the same thing. >> reporter: and instead of candy, these predators might offer kids cheat codes, internet purchases, or credits. for parents not that familiar with video games there are things of value to the child within the gaming environment whether getting to the next level, helping their score, that type of thing?
>> exactly. many times the gamer will take advantage of the opportunity and use those credits but nothing is ever free. they want something in exchange for that. many times that's often a picture of the gamer. >> reporter: and now the agency is doing something about it. working with the national center for missing and exploited children to find these predators online and help protect victims. special agent karen jerden showed me how the online offenders take advantage of kids, befriending them first, getting them to send photos, and then turning on them. so what are we looking at here? these are real messages? >> these are real messages from a victim and a subject and now they are introducing a threat to that victim. >> reporter: they're moving on to, here's your entire friends list, your family, your dad, your mom. so they're threatening to tell their dad and mom that they've done this to stheend them. >> they are extorting them and enticing them to produce more sexually explicit images of themselves. >> reporter: the predator even threatening to post what they
already have along with their name, facebook, and mobile number. >> so then you move on to now the victim pleading. that is the dilemma the victim is going through. now they are writing their story as to why you can't do this to me. don't do this to me. >> like here i don't want my brothers and sisters seeing me like that. they may not have even known there were brothers and sisters in the house. >> now you have potentially opened the door for the subject to exploit more victims in that home. >> reporter: the demands get worse and more graphic. so graphic we can't even show you what they said. >> they can ask for anything at this point. they start off lightly but then they get harsh and they get very explicit as to what they're asking for from this victim. >> reporter: they are also saying they should all include your face. >> yes. >> reporter: a child receives something like this and they think they've got 24 hours a day or two to make a decision if they're going to do this. >> that is basically what they'll do. they'll more than likely act because of fear. >> reporter: she says this kind of abuse can go on for years in some cases. what do you want someone who
right now is scared to tell anyone, what do you want that child to know? >> i want them to know they are a victim. they're not responsible for what they're doing. they trusted someone and that person extorted them. >> wow. i don't even know, normally when you see things like this you sort of know what the obvious answer is to combat it. what is the obvious answer here for parents? what are you supposed to do? >> the first thing, the only thing that really can combat it is a child telling a parent if something like this is happening to them. that's going to begin with open dialogue, though, from the parent. you might need to be more frank honestly than you think you should be with your child. they're making a bad decision they don't know is bad because they're not aware of who the predators are. they're not thinking of the fact the predator can pose to be the same age as them or even more horrifying the predator could have sextorted say a young female, 15 years old, yursd that girl's pictures to pretend to be here to now get pictures from a
15-year-old boy. so therefore he thinks he is speaking with somebody maybe in a romantic way and instead is being sextorted. >> that is a tough conversation. you're asking your kid whether you sent pictures, you know, over the internet. are these over these gaming systems or separately sent? >> what usually ends up happening is the relationship begins on one of these platforms. they start to befriend them, make them trust them, start introducing those i'll pay for this. i'll buy you, they are called skins in video games or pay for different weapons in the games. the child thinks they found a friend. it goes on for a little while and a lot of times they move them off platform under the presence oh, we're totally friends. we can talk on snapchat or wherever else. once they move to the other platforms that is when they start making demands and open the way for the pictures to be sent. >> remarkable story. thanks for doing it. up next what rudy guiliani is telling us now about the state department in efforts to find dirt on president trump's opponents. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. since my dvt blood clot
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jansing. it is 11:00 a.m. out west. two:00 p.m. in the east. following a couple wild days at the white house, at this hour, another reason for president trump to be worried about his re-election chances. a new associated press poll shows more than six in ten americans are not happy with the job he's doing. a disapproval rate of 62%. and it isn't just the president's tweets or behavior fueling it. trump earns weak marks on major issues from immigration to health care to guns. a bad sign for a president already under growing pressure on the economy. with new numbers showing both that the jobs picture isn't as good as we thought and that his tax cuts, while less effective at creating jobs, was highly effective at growing the deficit. now expected to hit $wool trillion for 2020. perhaps blood in the water. another republican has raised the prospect of primarying the president.